Ep. 02 | Justin Mathieu

[00:00:26] Speaker A: Welcome to the Greg Simeone Show. I got a really interesting guest today. My boy Justin. Matthew tonight today is someone I've been following for a long ass time. You know, I've he me and him went to the same high school together and I've been following on instagram since roughly 2010. And just to see this grow, his growth and evolution over the years with all his different side quests and hobbies and a bunch of them when she's monetized as well, which I think is the coolest thing ever, is monetizing your hobbies and your passions and making them into something that you can do for the rest of your life. And not only that, but pass it on to more people, pass it on to your kids, pass it on to your friends. And just a quick list off my head from what I've been following Justin throughout the years. Some of his hobbies, training and boarding dogs, breeding dogs, duck hunting, dock diving, falconry, single and dual purpose police canines. He also has a custom firearm store where he makes and builds guns. He does a bunch of shoots, like pistol shoots. And also the newest one is Matthew Farms where he has pigs, chickens and cows and makes the. Makes food out of them. So again, Justin, thank you so much for coming on, bro. I've been fucking following you for a while and I'm wicked interested in all the shit that you do. So thanks for coming out. And I thought good way to start this shit off or just be asking you a few things about these. All right, Cool with you? [00:01:57] Speaker B: Yep. Thanks buddy. I appreciate it. Thank you, Greg. You know, you said some kind words there. And I usually don't think about everything like that, but you know, it's cool to put into perspective and thank you. [00:02:07] Speaker A: Yeah. For real. I was someone who's like, I love starting new hobbies. I think the, one of the cool things in life is being a beginner and like figuring out learning. Yeah, learning the ins and outs of something that you had no fucking clue about. And I think you're a great example of someone who does that perfect perfectly. And also because you don't really seem to do anything half assed. Like when you get into something, you're balls deep in it and I love that. [00:02:33] Speaker B: I think that might be one of my downfalls. Yeah, it's all right. [00:02:36] Speaker A: You like really get into it. And I think coming off of that, I want to ask you about the Matthew Farms thing because that's your newest venture and that to me is just crazy. [00:02:48] Speaker B: Like. [00:02:49] Speaker A: Yeah, tell me a little bit about that. [00:02:53] Speaker B: You know, I always. I love animals, obviously. I've raised. Been training dogs for over 10 years, dealing with, you know, I've always had chickens and ducks here and there. More recently, we've. Within the past few years, we've got some Angus cattle and we have some pigs as well. And then we raise meat. Chickens too. You know, I kind of did it as a hobby at first. We really care about our food. Always have. You know, with everything else that's going on in the world right now, it seems to be a little iffy on when you can kind of get what you want. So between the hunting and the farming, it was kind of important to be able to provide basically everything that we need, if not everything. You know, that's the goal, obviously, eventually, is to. To get to the point where we kind of can supply everything for ourselves. But, yeah, we're learning. It goes back to the learning aspect where, you know, I kind of mentioned it here and there to people and everyone obviously thinks you're crazy when you have an idea and they just work in an office every day and, yeah, you know, get the check on Fridays. But we're not like that. I'm not like that. I go out and learn and then, like you said, if it makes sense, try to make a little money out of it. You know, we're nowhere near the point of making money with the farm stuff. And farming in general is very, very hard to make money. But it's one of those things, I think if you do it right and you kind of care about the product and the process, you know, there's going to be people there that are willing to pay for it. [00:04:31] Speaker A: And. [00:04:31] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, for me, I want high quality. I understand that costs more money. It costs more time, a lot of stuff like that, which some of the people I asked, you know, help from or advice from, kind of advised against a little bit what I'm doing, but that's okay. You know, I take everyone's advice with a grain of salt. [00:04:55] Speaker A: You should. [00:04:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I don't. I kind of don't stick all my eggs in one basket or trust anyone. And I also look at the people that I'm taking advice from. That's important to me. You know, if I ask somebody X, Y and Z and they tell me, you know, their advice, but they're maybe not in the place I want to be or they have, you know, I'm kind of take that with a grain of salt there. [00:05:19] Speaker A: I know what you mean. A thousand percent. [00:05:22] Speaker B: I try to follow the people that I want to be in their foot footsteps of, you know, if that makes sense. [00:05:27] Speaker A: In their place. Thousand percent. And I don't know where I heard it, but somewhere it's like, no one doing better than you is ever gonna on you, ever ev. Anyone in. In any type of these hobbies or this and that. Because they all started out as a beginner, just like you. And so you're at. If you're asking people for advice that are at the top, they should be nothing but nice to you. They want you to be up there with them. The people that are. I hate gatekeepers. That's one of my things. It's like, that's why I'm so happy you're on the show and talking about your shit. Because I know, like, you love to spread awareness and that's important, people. Yeah. Because like, if you were to just sit there and be like gatekeeping, like, oh, I'm the only motherfucker that's going to know how to do this. That shit not fun for anyone. [00:06:07] Speaker B: No. And then, you know, eventually what. It dies out, you know, and then. [00:06:12] Speaker A: No one knows what all the passion and effort you put into it, the nuances. [00:06:16] Speaker B: And, you know, there's a lot of kind of the hobbies are my jobs that I chose or choose to do. You know, there's a lot of ways to do each one of those things. And like you said, it kind of gets passed down from generation to generation, whether it's family members or finding a mentor that's willing to give you that information. Yeah. Which, you know, you do the right research, you ask the right questions and then. But that's important to me too, is finding a mentor, like within each one of whether it was breeding, you know, training, gun stuff, the farm stuff. I think it's very important to have a mentor too, you know, with, you know, or multiple mentors where you can bounce ideas off of. Because everyone does it differently. And you know, again, it goes. It's good to take to have multiple perspectives on each, you know, on each aspect of whatever you're trying to do. [00:07:14] Speaker A: Definitely, dude. That's that. I love that idea of having a mentor. And at least in the different fields, it's like, you know, these guys have started right where you're started at, you know, and they've been there. Yeah. And then when you're at that point, you have had. You have that in your memory that someone was such a good shit to you, helping you out. [00:07:34] Speaker B: You want to. [00:07:35] Speaker A: Yeah, you want to do that. So, like, that's. That's the Thing with fishing for me this year, I was the first year I was on the water ever. And I can't tell you how many times I walked down in the dock and everyone, hey, there's fish over there, fish over there. Try this, try that. And then it just, it makes you feel better too. It makes you feel better. It's like, hey, these guys are trying to help. I'm going to try and help the next guy. [00:07:54] Speaker B: But it's not always like that. [00:07:57] Speaker A: Unfortunately, I'm speaking in a dystopian. [00:08:00] Speaker B: No, no, you are. Which, but, but that's what I like to do, you know, again, it's, it's not always like that, but it should be more like that because, you know, I've had plenty of times too where it's like, wow, I feel like after talking to that person or wow, that person really discouraged the out of me. But again, I think that should be taken as some sort of motivation. I'm fine with failing. I've failed a lot in my life. I'm by, you know, none of us are perfect, but I, you know, every day it's like I'm. I find myself making a mistake here and there, but it's it something to work on and you know, as long as you don't keep making that same mistake, you know, you're getting somewhere. [00:08:41] Speaker A: And I think one thing at like, for our age like that a lot of we've seen a lot. I've seen a lot of dudes crash out. I've seen a lot of dudes stray from their morals, this and that, lose everything. And I think the one thing, the common factor between all those people is that they don't have any personal accountability. I think what you just said, how you said I fail a lot. I take a lot of Ls, it's like, it takes a real person to say that because a lot of people just will keep spinning their tires in the mud thinking the way that they're doing is the right thing. But you have the, the ability to like, step back, hey, I up. Let's go find a mentor and bounce ideas off of him or her and figure out how to correct this. And so I, I love that. I admire about that, that about you, dude. That's cool. [00:09:27] Speaker B: And that sucks. It sucks to, you know, have to say, wow, I really up there, wow, what I'm doing is literally the opposite of what I should be doing, you know. And I've come to that point multiple times. Whether it's, you know, in training, that's training a Specific dog. You're like, wow, I should be doing something totally different. Or whether, you know, it's just, you know, the way you're. Whatever it may be, you know, bookkeeping for a business or something like that. [00:09:52] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:09:53] Speaker B: There's a lot of things you learn, you know, the farming isn't just farming. You got to take care of the. The business expense once you turn it into, you know, something that you're trying to make money. [00:10:03] Speaker A: So that's. That was another thing I wanted to ask you more about was the farming, like, what is your. Because I have a bunch of animals, too. I'm a big animal lover. What is your morning routine like with those animals? It's probably at least over an hour long, right? [00:10:15] Speaker B: Yeah, you know, it depends on the morning. A nice, easy morning. Feeding, watering. You know, I got my dogs, I got. I. Then I let the chickens out of their coop and so they can go roam for the day. I make sure the water is filled. [00:10:29] Speaker A: They completely free roam. [00:10:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:10:31] Speaker A: Buzz around. [00:10:31] Speaker B: Y. I have. We have about five acres, and the chickens and the ducks get to free roam wherever they want. We have a livestock guardian dog because we have a. We do have a lot. You know, we kind of live in a. We. We don't live out in the middle of nowhere. So we do have a lot of predator pressure. We have foxes and coyotes every single night. You know, I have cameras, and we have literally coyotes every single night. So we have a dog that stays outside, and he's. He's saved us. I've lost a lot of birds. Just the predators are smart. That's why we also. When it goes to hunting, you know, hunting season opens up soon, and we do predator hunt around here because it's. It's necessary. [00:11:17] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:11:18] Speaker B: It's. Whether it's on a farm, we, you know, we go out to people's farms or whether it's just, you know, taking care of the coyotes that are. There's a lot of them. So it's one of those things. I know some people don't like to talk about it or think about it, but, you know, eventually, if you don't kill them, they're going to get into the cities, and then someone's going to kill them eventually. And. And it's one of those things. It's, you know, when it's legal and we try to take care of our animals. [00:11:45] Speaker A: I mean, you guys are doing it the right way, too. Yeah, I mean, I. I think it's a thousand times better to. To keep them out there and. And keep the Population under control than have them all. Yeah. Run around the city, which they already are. I think coyotes are actually in every major city in America. They're. [00:12:02] Speaker B: We could talk about this probably for a whole podcast itself. And I know, I'm sure a lot of people. Yeah. Understand. But, you know, they're out there and you see on the news every few weeks in Massachusetts. But, you know, now that since they, you know, you can hunt them less in certain towns, you can't hunt them with guns. And then they start becoming a nuisance and then they hire a federal agency to come in and shoot them. So instead of your local hunter, then your taxpayer money is going to, you know, to guys that are going to be shooting them anyway. [00:12:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:30] Speaker B: So it's kind of a weird. [00:12:31] Speaker A: Some little lone ranger out there, but. [00:12:34] Speaker B: Unfortunately, it's dude from the government that's probably never shot the gun. [00:12:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:39] Speaker B: Twice. You know what I mean? It's like, ideally, you'd rather have the hunter out there that practices all year. [00:12:44] Speaker A: Round and he's protecting his own hunting lands or farmlands, whatever. [00:12:49] Speaker B: That's the thing for us, it just comes down to we just protect our animals. So again, we live where there's a bunch of houses, so we can't, you know, we can't discharge a firearm regularly like that, or if there was, unless it was a super emergency, obviously. But. So that's why we have Odin, our Great Pyrenees. [00:13:05] Speaker A: Oh, he's a Great Pyrenees. [00:13:06] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:13:06] Speaker A: He's a big boy. Has he gotten any scraps with them? [00:13:09] Speaker B: Yeah, he had. Really? Dude, that's sick. I came home probably a month or two ago, and I, I, the chickens were being weird and I. Odin was being a little funny and, you know, he'll. He'll bark if he sees a hawk overhead or whatever. But I go out and I see him kind of in the corner, and then I noticed there was some blood on his paw. And I was like, that's kind of weird, but also not super weird. He, you know, he'll mess with whatever, a groundhog or something like that if they get in there. And I look and there's a coyote cornered in, in the yard. [00:13:42] Speaker A: No. [00:13:42] Speaker B: Yeah, literally, like, he had it in the corner and I mean, he had blood on him. I checked his teeth. He wasn't bleeding anywhere, so blood obviously wasn't from him. And, you know, I had my puppies in the yard 20, 25ft from where that coyote was too. So it's like he's not only protecting the lot, you know, the, the chickens and the pigs and stuff like that. But obviously, like, I have puppies a lot of the time, so my puppy, you know, I. I definitely. I also like to leave. I like to put my puppies outside, you know, with. You don't want to have them inside all the time. And we live out somewhere where there's, you know, animals. So again, he's 25ft from the puppies and all the chick ducks. And he had a coyote cornered in the yard. [00:14:27] Speaker A: Wait, he was still alive, the coyote? [00:14:29] Speaker B: It was. It was messed up, but it was alive. And I. Yeah, that's crazy. [00:14:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:14:34] Speaker B: No, so we had to put it out of its movie. [00:14:36] Speaker A: I love that. [00:14:37] Speaker B: But that, you know, so that was, I mean, savage. He's a beast. Yeah. And, you know, that was a smaller one. But I've come home and he's chased. You know, I've come home in the morning and he's panting and I'm like, dude, I know. You know, I have. We have cameras, so I can. I know what's going on. [00:14:49] Speaker A: Yeah, you check the cameras. You're like, Odin got into a battle. [00:14:53] Speaker B: Chased, at least chases him off. He keeps them at bay because they, you know, they're. They're like dogs. They smell. It's like deer or anything. The wild animals are insanely intelligent. They can smell. Even my, you know, my dogs can smell when the coyote enters the yard from 100 yards away. You know, same, you know, so the coyote can tell when the dogs are out in different spots and stuff like that. But I have, you know, I have a kennel building. I got kennels where I raise my. My dogs. And so, you know, some of the dogs I raise for sport and hunting, like, they stay in my kennel. We have an inside outside building. [00:15:26] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. That's so sick. [00:15:27] Speaker B: But the coyotes know that the dogs don't leave the, you know, the edge of the kennel. So, like, I'll have on video, the coyote will be 10ft from the kennel, peeing. You know, my dogs are barking. The coyote doesn't care. [00:15:38] Speaker A: Yeah. Because he knows they can't. [00:15:40] Speaker B: Know they can't get out. Yeah. So it's one of those things where they're very smart. So you just got to be careful having little animals and. [00:15:46] Speaker A: Yeah, stuff like that. They're very adaptive, too. [00:15:47] Speaker B: Very. [00:15:48] Speaker A: What? Another thing I want to talk to you about was the falcon Ray. Dude, I think what's. What's your. Yeah, things name? [00:15:55] Speaker B: Buckbeak. [00:15:55] Speaker A: Buckbeak, yeah. [00:15:56] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:15:57] Speaker A: He's a red tail hawk. Right? [00:15:58] Speaker B: Red tail hawk. [00:15:59] Speaker A: So she just him that or her. That's wicked cool. [00:16:03] Speaker B: So. Excuse me. So I'm an apprentice falconer and I trapped Buck, which means for the first two years that you practice falconer, you have to be an apprentice, meaning you have to have a sponsor. Okay. So, you know, I have a sponsor who's been doing it for 30, 40 years. He's been doing it his whole life, basically. So he signs on, says it's okay. You know, he says that he'll mentor me. Last year, I trapped her in August. They're usually born May, June, sometimes early July, but usually May and June they're born. So she was just leaving the nest, just learning how to fly. [00:16:46] Speaker A: Oh, perfect. So you kind of step in as that mother role. [00:16:49] Speaker B: Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll explain a little bit, but it's got. Yeah, she doesn't see me as her mother, but. But at some point it's like that because when they get to a certain point, they don't have a nice relationship with their mother. The mother's eventually like, hey, you know, you can get your own food now. We're fighting for the food too. So. Yes. In the sense. Yeah, it was like, I am helping you, but we're also. She doesn't like me. We don't have the same relationship, say, with a dog, if that makes sense. [00:17:13] Speaker A: I know what you mean. Yep. It's just food only. [00:17:15] Speaker B: It's food. It's very food based to. To backstep a little bit. As an apprentice, you. You know, obviously we're state and federally licensed to trap the birds because it's super regulated. As an apprentice, you can either have a kestrel or you can have a red tail hawk. A lot of times people choose a red tail hawk just because they're a bit more hardy and they're very abundant. There's usually a lot of prey. You know, they. They hunt rabbits and squirrels. [00:17:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Or kestrels. Native to Mass, too. [00:17:47] Speaker B: They are. There's. They are, yes. [00:17:49] Speaker A: For sure. [00:17:51] Speaker B: They're a little bit harder to find, but yes, they're definitely around. And it's. [00:17:55] Speaker A: They're cool. [00:17:55] Speaker B: They're very cool birds. Again, I kind of took, you know, having a mentor. Part of me was like, let's get the kestrel little thing. I can fly it around everywhere. [00:18:05] Speaker A: Yeah, they're. [00:18:05] Speaker B: They're delicate. You have to weigh them multiple times a day. You have to feed them multiple times a day. So it's a bit more hands on. And my sponsor recommended that I get a red tail first and fly with The Red Tail, which again, most sponsors do recommend that just for, for multitude of reasons when I'm really glad that I listened to my sponsor. So basically I trapped her last year. It took about 30, 40, 30 days to get her from trapping a wild bird. So she was spooked about everything. [00:18:38] Speaker A: So how does the trapping part go? Do you, you locate the nest? [00:18:41] Speaker B: Yeah. So you try to find the nest. A nest or just young birds where you see birds a lot of times. [00:18:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:48] Speaker B: You can only trap a first year bird in juvenile, which they call a passage bird. [00:18:52] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. [00:18:53] Speaker B: So because the death rate, the chance they make it to the second year is like, I think it's 15 to 20%. Like the death rate is 80% or maybe even more than 80% for the first year. Which you know, there was a very big decline from the use of pesticides. 60s, 70s, 80s and falconers specifically brought back, you know, obviously the regulation of pesticides and stuff like that. But through wild trapping and breeding and stuff like that, you know, the numbers have sword since. [00:19:26] Speaker A: Yeah, that's sick. [00:19:27] Speaker B: So taking a wild young bird, you know, again, the chance that it survives past the first year is very slim anyway. In theory you're taking the bird in, you're going to feed it and house it. So it should, you know, granted, something could happen in the wild. You could get into an act. You know, some, there's plenty of things, ways a bird could die, you know, that's unexpected. But you know, if all goes well, that bird makes it through the first year, you know, gets fed and, and housed perfectly and then, you know, then it's at its breeding age where you can either release it or. But once they are in their first year in the wild, they don't want them taking away because they're kind of at the peak where they can start breeding. So to take them away from that is like. [00:20:10] Speaker A: And they've probably made it out. [00:20:12] Speaker B: They've made it out the hardest, out of the hardest part. So those birds are very smart. It, you know, they're, they're well adapted. [00:20:17] Speaker A: Yeah, that makes sense for sure. [00:20:21] Speaker B: So yeah, they get basically I trapped the bird. You find where you see the birds consistently. I, you know, I located her. I, there was actually three babies and there was, you know, two adults that were around. So there was a bunch of birds at these fields that I frequent. I tried for a few weeks and then I, I got, I spent a little more, you know, again, you like anything, it's all about the money. If you have some, you know, Maybe like lobstering or fishing. It's like, you spend a little more money on some special equipment, it might help you a little better. [00:20:54] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. [00:20:55] Speaker B: So I was really frustrated. I spent a lot of time. I went out and I spent a little more money on the special type of a trap. You know, I had multiple other traps, but it's like a. A little bit better of a trap. So I went out at 5am I set up in the field, immediately heard the bird, and by 7:30, I had trapped her. Basically had a pigeon. You have a pigeon on a line that kind of flies around. When the bird comes down, it gets caught on a noose. No way. [00:21:25] Speaker A: Live pigeon? [00:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah, with a harness. It wears a leather harness. So the pigeon actually survived. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes they don't survive, unfortunately. [00:21:33] Speaker A: That's insane. [00:21:34] Speaker B: You know, but again, it gets fed to the bird, so it's no problem. But in theory, the pigeon wears a harness. No, that's. So the first time I ever saw, I'm like, wow, you look like I'm learning so much right now. Right. You know, basically the pigeon wears a leather harness that can't be punctured by the hawk's claws. [00:21:51] Speaker A: Okay. [00:21:51] Speaker B: It just grabs onto the harness and then it gets stuck on a noose on the little fishing line that's on the back of the harness. I know. [00:21:57] Speaker A: It's like fishing with bait. [00:21:59] Speaker B: It's literally fishing with like a. So I, you know, you rush over and you get the bird. And I took it right to my sponsor's house. And then I basically, from 35 days, she was flying free. All food motivated. You have to weigh them every day. It's a very delicate. There's a lot more that goes into it. I don't want to get. Dude. But, you know, it kind of complements the dog training thing. It's all food and reward based. You can't correct your bird. You can't get mad at your bird. You can't. [00:22:31] Speaker A: It's very black and white. [00:22:32] Speaker B: It's very black and white. But not so much for humans, if that makes sense, because we're used to maybe, you know, if your brother or something's doing something, you give him a push and it's like. Or you raise your voice. [00:22:42] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:43] Speaker B: Or, you know, you get physical or you get emotional. None of that stuff works with an animal like this. It actually would, if anything, just exacerbate the problem or, you know. [00:22:55] Speaker A: Yeah. Stress it out. [00:22:55] Speaker B: Stress it out. Or activate their kind of fight or flight mode, if that makes sense. [00:23:00] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. [00:23:01] Speaker B: So it's all food based, but that's okay because, you know, the training that I do is reward based training. You know, of course it's balanced where we do overlay, you know, corrections and pressure, but for the most part it is reward based. So the concept is more or less the same if you're using food for an animal and a hawk, except, you know, you're dealing with, you know, the weight. You have to. That's why we weigh the bird. Because if you're, if your dog is too fat and doesn't want to take the treats, how are we gonna teach it to sit? [00:23:38] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:23:38] Speaker B: You know, so maybe for a few days we lower its food. You know, if you got a rich guy and I offer him 50 bucks to come, you know, whatever, like vacuum this one room, it takes two minutes. He's gonna be like, no, I don't need to do that. Like, I got too much money. But if you offer somebody that's kind of looking for some money. Yeah, starving in the sense of. So again, the reward, it's all reward based. And that's, that's the relationship we have with the bird. So it's really fun. We, right now we're about to start hunting for the season with her. So I kept her. She's over a year old now. So. [00:24:13] Speaker A: So that's another one more question I had was like, what do you guys. What's the actual purpose of it? Is it recreational hunting? Is it food? Is it pri. Is it pest control? Like, so there are. [00:24:25] Speaker B: And it depends who you ask. I'll say that, you know, there are some people that are very hardcore. You have to hunt with every bird that you have, you know, which I understand that they're definitely not pets. You know, with social media and, and this is why I really, I do. I like my sponsor. And, you know, I had another sponsor, but he moved to Utah and I liked him. They're not on social media. They don't, you know, with social media you can go out there and you find people with owls as pets and hawks, like, not so much hawks, but you see a lot of owls as pets. I will still fall under falconry. And they're not pets. Yes, you can live with an owl. [00:25:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:05] Speaker B: You know, is, you know, education, I think is important. So I think birds for education, whether they're birds that are rehabbed and hurt or something, they can't fly and hunt. Yeah, that's great. I think pest control, I think that's awesome too. I do, you know, for vineyards or, you know, inorganic Means of, of bird control or stuff like that. I, I think that's really cool. And it's a lot more on the West Coast. I wish they brought that a little bit more in the East Coast. Yeah, maybe someday. But then the hunting aspect per falconry, for the license, technically, yes, you have to be hunting with your birds. And I do think that you should be doing everything you can to hunt with your bird. You know, if my bird gets hurt and she can't hunt anymore, I'm not just going to put her down though. Like, unless I found a place like, I, I would do what I needed to what was best for the bird. If obviously putting the bird down. I just mean if it had an injury where it couldn't physically hunt, you know, maybe it goes into an education role because personally I think there's not enough education. Falcon is one of those in its hunting in general. Like, you don't want everyone hunting, you know, of course we don't want everyone hunting. We don't want, we don't want everyone to have guns. That's why there's good licenses and stuff like that. Same with hunting. There should be some level of entry, especially with falconry, because, you know, it's not just hunting. You're. It's. To be able to care for an animal that you're taking from the wild is a very, you need to take that very seriously for sure. And nowadays, again, with social media, you see, if I just post on social media, you just see that quick clip where I'm hunting with the bird. You don't see the 24 hours of the day where, you know, maybe the day the bird's sick or the time the bird has to go to the vet or the time the bird dies. You know, sometimes people don't see that. And that's, you know, you have to take into account all the other things, whether it's an animal, a dog, you're buying, a pig, a chicken. To me, it doesn't matter. I. Rehab, you know, I've had chickens get into it. Whether it was an issue with a hawk or, you know, I've had a dog grab a chicken by accident and that thing's in my house getting cared for. [00:27:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:27:23] Speaker B: Like, you know, just like I would anything else. You know, whether it's getting, you know, and it's like, my brother's like, what's in that crate? And it's like, yeah, it's freaking chickens all wrapped up. And you know what? I got a chicken that's out there right now that lays a really nice egg. And I thought, you know, she would have died if I didn't. And she was. Stayed inside for a week and a half now. She's totally fine. So it's like, that's awesome to me. You put that little bit of effort in and. And. And it doesn't always work. You know, I've had horror stories from, you know, just accidents or whatever from it. You know, when you deal with animals, animals die. That's the problem. So it's not always rainbows and. [00:27:57] Speaker A: No, definitely not. And I'm. I'm glad you said that, because I actually. The last kid I had on, my boy Matty's a commercial bluefin tuna fisherman. And one of the things I brought up to him, I was like, dude, like, from the outside looking in, like, I think. I think majority of the people think that commercial fishermen are. They just want to get out there and kill everything. [00:28:17] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:28:18] Speaker A: And the liberals think that about the hunters, too. And I'm. I'm not a hunter, but I respect all of it. And I think bringing you on and highlighting, like, this one thing I want to let people know about who don't hunt and fish is that the people that hunt and fish love the animals. They. I. I don't know. [00:28:35] Speaker B: I don't want to say I care more than somebody else, because I don't. [00:28:38] Speaker A: Like, really, but I promise you, Maddie does, too. That's in this. And that's. [00:28:43] Speaker B: That is what's frustrating because, you know, of course, hunting, they. You think you're just going out there, like, yes, of course we are. We're going out there with a gun and we're killing an animal. Like, that is what we're doing, plain and simple. But there's a lot more that goes into it, you know, from raising the beef. It's funny. I've gotten more comments, I think, recently from the beef. I love my cows. You know, we have a group of female. Every single one of my cows, even my cows that I buy that I. Or raise that I know are going to the butcher. Like, I spend the time with them every day. I give them head scratches. I, you know, I get them comfortable with me. [00:29:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:29:25] Speaker B: You know, I don't give them names me, you know. Yeah, some of them I do like, you know, but it's like. But at the end, when they go to get butchered, I drive them to the butcher. I, you know, that's as far as I can take them right now. I can't. I can't do the process myself, but I, you know, I Do every single thing that I possibly can, because then I can feel what it feels like. And I'm okay with the shitty feelings. I am. Honestly, I'm okay with going to bed at night and having some thoughts like, God damn, like, we just dropped off those three nice cows at the butcher today. Like, you know, I'm okay with processing that and telling myself, walking myself through the steps of, like, it's okay to feel like this, because then, you know, when it hits the freezer and when other people send me pictures of. Dude, you have no idea how good this meat is. Like, you're. You know, send me a picture of their whole freezer filled to me. That makes it worth it. Yes. [00:30:17] Speaker A: Thousand percent. [00:30:19] Speaker B: It's. And it's hard for some, but that same person is gonna go to the store tonight and buy a steak. [00:30:25] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:25] Speaker B: So I don't have any respect. I don't. I keep my mouth shut. [00:30:30] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:30:30] Speaker B: I just have no respect for people that. I can't understand that in it. And maybe I'm being a little harsh, but I've gone through enough death and put myself through enough situation just for the. For the welfare of the animal. It's like, listen, you're not. You have. The least you could do is understand you. You know, you have no process. You have no part in the process besides literally cooking it and eating it. Just be thankful that someone like me and I don't want to take any. There's a million other people out there that do this on a bigger scale and, you know, again, but it was important for me to be able to do this for our close family and friends. Yeah. [00:31:11] Speaker A: And because you're an actual animal lover. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I love the animals. That's the thing. It's like, I don't want to buy. I don't want to go and support somebody if I don't know where the meat's coming from. I came to a point where I was driving to specific farms, and I would still go to those farms. I still recommend them because they're some of my mentors and people that I look after. Because at some point, it's like, I have land. I have the ability. Like, you know, it was time to learn how to do some of it on our own. [00:31:36] Speaker A: Yeah. That's stoked. [00:31:37] Speaker B: But it was for that reason, because if I'm not gonna know exactly where it's coming from, I. I don't feel. Excuse me. I don't feel comfortable eating it. I. I truly didn't. And, yeah, that's probably a me problem. And I'm not. And I'm the extreme, but that's okay. I, I'm fine with that as long as I can get some other people to realize it's just, it's good to support somebody local. We don't make any money off. You know, someone said something like, no, we're. We don't. We. No, no, I have no. We make no money off of the farming stuff. But it's, it's, it's something that I can fill my freezer and we can keep feeding the animals and doing and maybe someday, you know, we'll make money. But it's not about the money. That's, that's the biggest thing. It's about knowing where the food comes from, whether it's hunting or going or raising your own animals. [00:32:25] Speaker A: Yeah. And dude, there's definitely nothing cooler than, than hard work paying off in a meal in something that you're like, oh, I did this. I raised this cattle for X amount of months and did this. And that cooked it up. And now I'm enjoying this perfect dinner for all my hard work. So I think that's wicked cool. Another thing I wanted to ask about was. So I saw on your Instagram, you have. Is it six female cattle? [00:32:51] Speaker B: Yeah. So right now we have six. [00:32:53] Speaker A: So why is it, why is it all females are there? [00:32:55] Speaker B: Well, so we do have a few, we have a few steer that will go to the butcher in the spring, but we just, we sent six this fall. Which. [00:33:07] Speaker A: Do you send? The only. The males. [00:33:08] Speaker B: You can send both. Okay. For the most part, you keep the. It depends on everyone's situation. Like, it really does depend on everyone's situation. Right now we have six females, four of them are, are pregnant. And then we have, we have two that will breed in the winter time. So next year, in theory, if everything. Knock on wood, if everything goes as planned, we should have six calves. Which I want to get to the point where I can produce, I can birth the animal. Not myself, obviously. Like, you know, I want to be able to have, I want to have it on the farm and I want it to leave the farm. Like, I don't. [00:33:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:33:45] Speaker B: Right now I have, you know, again, it, it. There's nothing wrong with not doing it that way and sourcing from other farms. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. So we have gone to specific farms to source specific genetics, you know, so that's kind of where we're at right now. So next year, in theory, we should have six babies that then we can kind of start and you know, if we have six boys, then we're going to have a lot of meat after that. If we have six girls, we're going to have more babies. You know, it's kind of something that we don't know exactly until there's a lot of up in the air. [00:34:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Until these, they're only beef cattle, right? [00:34:22] Speaker B: Yeah. So these kind of again, kind of going against what some of the people are saying. We have all registered Angus right now. [00:34:29] Speaker A: Okay. [00:34:30] Speaker B: All Black Angus. For me, it's about same as the dogs. As a breeder, even my pigs, I, you know, it's about genetics. Of course, there's a lot that goes into what you feed them, how you treat them, stuff like that. It's like you and I, if, if you're 5 10, you're gonna be 5 10, you're not gonna ever grow to six something, you know, if, if you're a smaller framed person, you're never gonna look like, you know, your brother, who may be twice, you know. You know, so genetics to me matters. I want the good marbling, I want nice ribeyes. So I, that's kind of what we're chasing. I, again, on a smaller scale, I want the quality to be the absolute best. When I go to buy steaks, I go to buy the best steak. So why would I raise something. [00:35:20] Speaker A: Exactly. Why would you raise something you wouldn't want? [00:35:22] Speaker B: No. Yeah. Especially after putting in the blood, you know, stepping in the mud, dealing with all, you know, whatever it is, after all the hard work, if you don't open the freezer and be like, God damn, that is so worth it. Like, like, then it's not worth it, obviously. So I started off, we did start off with a few other. Which is again, there's nothing wrong with any of these breeds and a lot of it is preference. But you're not going to find, in my, in my opinion, you're not gonna find. If you go to get a super nice Black Angus steak from, you know, from somebody that knows what they're doing, that's probably going to be the best steak you're gonna have. Yeah. And again, it goes into marbling and stuff like that. [00:35:59] Speaker A: So. [00:35:59] Speaker B: Yeah, that's just my opinion. [00:36:01] Speaker A: Hey, I'm taking. [00:36:02] Speaker B: I know some of my buddies are gonn. No, no, it's. It's one of those things where you learn. I've. I did. I've raised other cows, I've butchered them, I've tasted them. They've all been on the same feed. So, you know, to me, if you raise Two cows on the same feed and treat them the same, one tastes better than the other and probably could be the genetics. You know, it's like. So again, it's okay. We're just messing around with genetics and. But, but to me, we are, you know, we're not going to go into numbers, but you can look up the numbers are if you guys want. But like, I'm very. We're heavily investing into our females because we want. Again, I want the best. And I, you know, like you said before, I don't do anything half ass. [00:36:45] Speaker A: So right now that's, that's. [00:36:46] Speaker B: We're trying to get the best of the best. [00:36:49] Speaker A: And what about the pigs, where the pigs are the newest addition to the farm. Right. You started with the cattle and the chickens. [00:36:55] Speaker B: So I raised. I've raised pigs for just two years. The first year was just kind of a test. You know, I. Everyone says they're easy. They are pretty easy. You know, again, it's all about the setup that you have, the equipment, stuff like that. As long as you have a nice pen. So we, obviously, we had the pen, no problem. We raised three pigs. It was good, the meat was good. But I kind of listened to some people and they said the breed doesn't matter. So I went and just grabbed three cheap pigs and raised them. And again, it was great pork. Like, it was way better than you go to the store. They even compare. [00:37:33] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:34] Speaker B: But then this year I raised some purebred Berkshires. And again, there's multiple other breeds that are very nice too. But for me, I think I like the Berkshire. The meat, it's more marbled. They maybe take a little bit. Few more months to. To get to market weight, but it's literally the best pork belt you'll ever have. [00:37:56] Speaker A: It's sick. [00:37:57] Speaker B: It's hard to explain. Once you have it, it's. It's very good meat. And again, the pigs are. If that's more. Everyone wants bacon. [00:38:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:07] Speaker B: You know, everyone's like, you got pigs, you got bacon. Like, dude, you realize how minimal amount of bacon is on each pig? Like, I wish there was just. [00:38:14] Speaker A: I don't know, it's. [00:38:15] Speaker B: It's hard to understand because it's just on the rib area. Okay. So it's like the outside of the ribs. Pigs only have two sides and there's only, you know, a certain amount of length of ribs. [00:38:24] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's only like 10 of body weight. [00:38:26] Speaker B: Exactly. So it's really. Every. By the time you smoke it, you're only getting a few pounds, like you know, not maybe a few, but 10 pounds of bacon if you're lucky, out of each pig. So everyone wants bacon. It's it. I, we mostly raise the pigs to eat ourselves there. It's a lot of work. And they're not cheap because I don't just. You can feed them bread. You can a lot of people, you'll find a lot of farms. And again, there's nothing wrong with this. It's more of just what you want in the finished product because the meat is still okay and it's still totally edible. But I'm not just feeding them free bread and stuff like that. [00:39:02] Speaker A: Yeah, we're feeding table scraps. [00:39:04] Speaker B: Yeah, like we do feed all that. We feed plenty of scraps. They get fruit, they get every, like they do get that stuff. But I think grain is important to add whether it's in the cows or. You know, everyone talks about grass fed and grass finish. Like, I personally think that grain is very important to add in like nice flavoring and marbling. You know, it's locally sourced grain and as best as we can do. But I do, I think, you know, we won't go into it, but the whole grass fed thing with the beef is all kind of, in my opinion, especially once you get in to see how they're allowed to label stuff in the United States anyway. They can basically just, you know, as long as it's been on grass, it's great. You know, we'll get into that sort of stuff. But you know, grain finished is not bad. It's a very, you know, they still get grass. You know, it's like, it's just an extra boost of. [00:40:02] Speaker A: Yeah. If anything, it's like just. [00:40:03] Speaker B: It helps. Yeah, to me. Yeah, exactly. It gives them extra protein. Yes. There is corn in it. People, you know, then we get in like if you put a cow out in a field, it's going to eat corn anyway. So it's not. To me, it's not. You know, if you put a cow out, it's going to go any beans and grain, you know, it's going to go and eat that stuff in a field if they were grown versus if you grind it up and put it in a pellet. So what's the difference? You know, people say like it's not normal or natural. Like, yeah, it is. If you put a cow in a pasture that's half grass and half corn, you know, they're going to eat what they want. They're going to eat, you know, they're going to go back and forth. So I think it's, you know, the grain costs more and. But I think it's worth it. [00:40:43] Speaker A: Worth it? [00:40:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:40:43] Speaker A: That's awesome. All right, I want to switch. Switch topics a little bit here. There's another thing I'm really interested in, is you training the single and dual purpose police canines. That shit's badass, dude. How did you get started in that? And I don't know, like, how'd you get started in that, bro? That's crazy. [00:41:03] Speaker B: Yeah, it's awesome. I, you know, I. I trained dogs for a living. I started just doing obedience. Well, I kind of started doing bite work and obedience at the. At the same time. I didn't even know this bite work or anything like this really existed. Obviously, I knew there was police dogs, but when I was in California, just had my pit bull. I moved out to California. She was just under a year old. She was kind of nutty. So she, she actually got me into it. We. I needed obedience for her. I found a local club, sent her away for training, and then, you know, the guys, it mostly was obedience for the first few weeks that I was there. And then all of a sudden, one day, one of the guys pulled out, you know, a bite sleeve, and they honest, they only had pit bulls. So I didn't really put two and two together, but they had trained one of their pit bulls to bite, you know, just a bite sleeve. And again, I was 20. I was 20 years old, and that was the first time I had ever seen any. You know, I'd seen a dog bite someone before, but it wasn't a good thing. You know what I mean? It was like a Rottweiler that, when I was little, I was like, this is not good. So I was like, oh, my God. They're literally training the dog to bite, but it's controlled. And I'm like, it, it just, it was so. So I just. Of course, as soon as I go home that day, I'm online doing research, doing everything I can. This is when Instagram kind of first started. There was not much, if any bite work on Instagram. Literally none. Like, and not that I would go to Insta, because back then you weren't going to Instagram to look for that sort of stuff. It was just pictures of your dinner, like. [00:42:40] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:42:41] Speaker B: Smoking a bong or something. Yeah, I know. Having some beer on the table, like, you know, So I was in California and I got into it over, of course, of a few weeks. I was like, jesus, I didn't realize that you can make money training dogs and I kind of put two to be. I call my mom. And I remember exactly, like, the conversation. I was like, mom, you're gonna think I'm crazy. She's like, what the hell is it now? She's literally like, what? [00:43:04] Speaker A: She. [00:43:04] Speaker B: I just knew it. She's like, what the. And I like, I gotta get out of school. I was in the middle of a semester at Santa Monica College, Graphic design. I go, I gotta get out of school at the end of this semester and move up to Northern California to go to dog training school. She was like. It's like, pause. And she was like, I'll talk to you tomorrow. She was like, she couldn't take it right there. [00:43:29] Speaker A: Radical idea. [00:43:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, all right, call her tomorrow. I said the same thing. And she was like. She's like, this is it. She was like, this is your last chance. And I'm like, all right, I appreciate that. Like, thank you, though, for giving me a chance. So I explained to her the situation. Basically, I talked to my other friend that, you know, I had done a little dog training stuff with out there, and I found Michael Ellis online, who's an incredible dog trainer, and he still has his school out there. I found his school, which was in Northern California. This was in October or November. By the middle of December, I was in an apartment and, you know, just an American canyon just south of Napa Valley. [00:44:11] Speaker A: Okay, cool. [00:44:12] Speaker B: Getting ready to go to dog training school January 1st. So, you know, no idea what I was getting myself into besides the fact that I just trained my pit bull in obedience with, you know, some other training company. And I had, you know, over the course of those next few months, I had worked with those trainers, and I, you know, I had. We've been going to dog shows and doing all this other stuff and that. And actually, in the. In the middle of that time, I had gotten a little pitbull that I. Axel that I show, you know, so I would do. I would do basically, like, agility and just obedience type shows, like confirmation shows and like that. So I. I kind of knew a little bit about dog stuff, but, you know, nearly nothing. And I went to dog training school January 1st, like, and. Which. Which was incredible. Like, obviously I loved animals and. And, you know, I had learned a lot more. I got my training vest, I got everything. And there was five of us in the class. And it was literally the best experience of my life. Like, it changed my life. [00:45:11] Speaker A: How long was. [00:45:13] Speaker B: Was. I think the cord. The course was three and a half months, and then I stayed a few extra months Just to like train and. [00:45:21] Speaker A: Yeah, on the job training. [00:45:23] Speaker B: Yeah, I kind of just trained and I. So we, you know, we did everything from how to just everything about dog training. Obviously very hands on. If anyone knows Michael, you know, he's incredible. Like, a lot of it revolves around competition stuff and high level obedience and protection. So naturally I was learning bite work and I started working a little bit. Like I had volunteered a little bit of time in Vallejo, which was nearby. They have like a police training group, a canine group, and you know, just being in a bite suit, literally just getting the beat out of me, like just getting up. I remember literally just getting the ship, you know, like, and that's, you know, once I learned safely how to, to work the dogs. Because there it's not just put on the suit and, you know, and just start working the dogs. There is a lot that goes into it. If you want to do it the right way, of course, is, yeah, you could get in there and make it Instagram videos now you see a lot of that out there where you want to cringe, unfortunately. But so, you know, I just slowly started doing bite work. Compete. I got a Malinois myself. So between the pit bulls and the Malinois, I had a few dogs and I was, was competing, doing everything. Bite work, obedience dock, dive. Like we did everything. Yeah, you know, I'm also helping other people raise their dogs, you know, whether it be for the obedience side of it or, you know, raising their dogs in protection work. Then I came back to Boston and, you know, I was just doing obedience and I didn't really have any connections back. Obviously I, I grew up here and everything, but for dog stuff, I had really no connections back here. I just, I, you know, through word of mouth, I started doing some bite work with a few people and then I got introduced to one of the Boston trainers and like the first time he saw me kind of pull me aside and we started talking and he gave me a great opportunity right off the bat, like he, he put his trust in me, like, oh, yeah. Which was important. You know, in my head I knew I was being safe and I wasn't making the dogs worse. But obviously I had a shitload to learn. I came from the sports side of it where it was like very again, motivation, reward based, even the bite work, like of course corrections and stuff, you know, but it was a lot more reward based. And then I was introduced to a whole nother side of it where it's like old school compulsion, like if the dog doesn't do it Rip his head off. Yeah, like, and I was like, oh. So it was kind of a good mix because they had been training in that sort of style for so long. Like a lot of other places in the country, unless you're like a sport doing mondo ring or French ring or psa. At that time a lot of the police and military style training was more heavy handed, like compulsion based. So basically it was again, make the dog do it. If he doesn't do it, make him do it it. If he doesn't do it, make him do it. It's like, well, that doesn't always work. [00:48:25] Speaker A: Yeah, it's just one school of thought. [00:48:28] Speaker B: Yeah, it was very. Which, which, okay, I get it. Because they were very successful with the dogs and, and with a certain type of dog, police dogs, you can be very successful training and even other dogs, like you can be very successful training that way if you know what you're doing. But to me, I didn't train that way and I didn't need to train that way. It was a perfect time I came back here. I was raising a dog myself in the system that I knew do. So using rewards. Yeah, using everything that I would tell you to do, you know, so I could then demonstrate in front of the, you know, the cops or whoever, you know, the trainers, whatever it was. Instead of me saying hey, blah blah blah, and then being like, okay, dude, you're a kid, like shut the up. Like how do you know? I've been doing this for X amount of time, which is how it is, especially in the police world. Dude, we've been doing this for 30 years this way. It's like, well that's why you guys suck at it still. [00:49:16] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:16] Speaker B: And I hate, you know, I'm just a civilian, 21 year old kid, but granted, I just took some advice from, you know, one of the best trainers in the world and watched them for, for, you know, a long time, deal with a lot of different dogs, you know, on the highest level. So to me I knew, I was confident in, in what I knew and by no means, you know, overconfident because I was still learning and I knew that. [00:49:41] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:49:43] Speaker B: But it, I was able to show them other ways and it really opened, it opened a lot of their eyes to see, like, okay, we don't have to be so heavy handed, okay, we can praise the dog, you know, so it was really good to see over the course of those first few years I came back here and started working with a lot of local departments and you know, raising my puppies and Sending them to local departments, we were able to implement like a lot more reward based stuff. And now you see it all across the board. Like if you're training heavy handed even as a police officer in this country, you know you're doing something wrong. There's plenty of info out there with social media and everything right now. [00:50:18] Speaker A: That's so cool that you brought like that. [00:50:20] Speaker B: I don't want to say I brought it by any means because there were other people that were sport people around here but it was like I wasn't gonna do it their way. Yeah, like I'm, you know, at that time I was volunteering a lot of my time because I mean one I was able to still live, you know, I moved back and I lived in my parents for a few years. So I, on the, on the bill side of it, I was able to volunteer a shitload of my time. Obviously, you know, selling the dogs and doing other stuff there, you know, you made money. But I volunteered a shitload of my time. And if I'm going to volunteer my time, we're going to do it my way. If I'm working your dog, like I would literally walk out if someone told me to do something that I would think was wrong. Wrong. And yeah, not because. [00:51:07] Speaker A: Of arrogance. [00:51:08] Speaker B: Yeah, it's not that. It's just I'm not gonna do what's wrong for the dog. And eventually over the years, like you know, I was trusted enough, I would run the training, you know, I would do seminars and stuff like that for the cops and which it's important that the trainers of the, you know, every area has a trainer and whether it's a town or the city or, you know, Boston has a training group, there's like over 100 dogs in it that's sick dogs all the way from like friggin Dartmouth all the way up in New Hampshire. So you know, the trainer, that trainer is friggin awesome. And he's never told anybody, don't go to other trainings, don't go, you know, he, he encourages people, hey, go to this seminar, go to that seminar. You know, he's very open about that. Well of course he has his ways and he has his, but he's very open about go and learn. Not like my way is the only way. And in my opinion, I don't want to name his name but he, you know, he's probably one of the best. If not, of course there's a few others like in la and I mean he's probably trained more police dogs than anybody in the country. [00:52:14] Speaker A: Like, that's sick. [00:52:15] Speaker B: And he's the head trainer in Boston and he's very under appreciated by those guys and you know, by the community, by everyone. Like, he, he busts his ass and you know, again, he, he, the dogs are very successful because he is open to new training ideas and he knows he, he works his own dogs and he kind of competes with his own dogs, but he helps people compete and he's always at training, watching at seminars. So like, to me, as the head trainer of a group, he's doing exactly what you should do. It's obviously hard to get 100 and something dogs on the same page. [00:52:49] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely. [00:52:50] Speaker B: But he, you know, that was, that was important for me is like, wow, okay, at least we're able to make a little difference and you know, implement, whether it be an E collar or the way that we out the dog or just obedience, you know, showing them, hey, that you, you can have very good obedience with a dog that wants to kill somebody. And you probably should. [00:53:10] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:53:11] Speaker B: You know, like, you probably should. Like, what the hell? [00:53:13] Speaker A: Are you gonna be the most fucking obedient dog if he's gonna go fucking bite someone? [00:53:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's how I came from is like obedience first. Where, you know, sometimes in the police world it's like, like they're a little bit too crazy. Like. [00:53:26] Speaker A: Yeah, it's literally like, it's hard because you think about it would be like it, it is a weapon. [00:53:31] Speaker B: Right. [00:53:32] Speaker A: You want to have your safety on it at all. [00:53:34] Speaker B: And you want the holster to be a good holster. [00:53:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Which is you yourself, you want to be able to control the thing. [00:53:39] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:53:39] Speaker A: And so. Yeah, dude, that's so badass that you like are even around those things and working around. I think police dogs are the coolest thing. [00:53:47] Speaker B: No, I do. And it's. I do. And I appreciate them. You know, the hardest thing is, is when you deal with like a lot of numbers. It's quality issues. And again, it's not. It's the quality of the handlers. It's frustrating when you deal with people and, you know, I bust my ass. I show up and I'm in the bite suit eight hours a day, working the dogs for literally eight hours. Like, you know, these dogs get X amount of reps. Sometimes we would have 40. Like, my buddy came in from the coast. He came in for a week. This is hilarious. He came in for a week and, you know, we just worked the police dogs and stuff. And one day I brought him and there was a lot of dogs. It was probably 24 dogs or something like that. A class. And he goes, we're gonna work all these dogs. And I was like, dude, yes. And we literally went through them multiple times. And he was throwing up, and. And I'm like, and. And honestly, that put it into perspective for me. Of course, I was tired of. But I was fine. Like, yeah. And then my buddy. Yeah, my other buddy that was here, he goes, dude, he goes, you work. You know, you work your. I'm like, dude, I know, because I thought he was going to be able to handle this. Like, he's over here dying, like, you know, so it's frustrating when I put in that sort of effort. And you. The same handler shows up week after week, and we're working on the same thing. It's like, dude, you're the one that's gonna die. Yeah, in. In theory. Like, I'm not gonna get hurt if your dog. Up on the street. I literally care about you and your dog. That's why I've been trying to help you. But if you show up every week and it's the same thing that I know you haven't worked on, that I've said to work on, how can I help you? [00:55:25] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:55:25] Speaker B: And then I just get tired and, like, pissed off when I leave, being like, I didn't know. And then I think it's my fault. Like, did I not do the right thing? Did I not say the right thing to. No, it's like, no, it's the handler's fault. They're stubborn. [00:55:37] Speaker A: So it's just as much as the police officers being trained to handle the dog as you are training the dog. [00:55:44] Speaker B: Yeah. And that's the problem. [00:55:45] Speaker A: Makes sense. I mean, they want to be on the same page. They need to be. Yeah, it's, you know, that's wicked. So dual purpose. Does that mean you train drug dogs, too? [00:55:55] Speaker B: Yeah. So the single purpose, like, I raise the labs and breed the labs for just the detection. [00:56:00] Speaker A: Drugs. [00:56:01] Speaker B: Yeah, Drugs are bomb. And then, you know, this dual purpose would be apprehension, like bite work and tracking and also detection, too. [00:56:11] Speaker A: Have you ever raised any bloodhounds? [00:56:13] Speaker B: Never. No. [00:56:14] Speaker A: That's a cool. [00:56:15] Speaker B: I'm not Super Quincy just got one. Really? Yeah. I'm not super into it. I won't get into bloodhounds. [00:56:20] Speaker A: But it's different discipline, though, right? [00:56:22] Speaker B: I mean, it kind of is, but I would put any of our labs against a bloodhound tracking. I'm just gonna sip my water after that. [00:56:30] Speaker A: No, I. I mean, like I said earlier, I've been saying this whole Pod, everything you do is 100. So I. Yeah, I believe. Yeah. I mean, they got all those labs. [00:56:38] Speaker B: And everyone has their opinion. Trust me, everyone has their opinion. Yeah. My opinion is the lab. You're not going to find dogs with, you know, I breed my labs for hunting and detection. Their noses are literally insane. You could throw, you know, again, the proof's in the pudding. I, I think there is a lot of successful trailing programs with bloodhounds in the country. Yeah, there is, for sure. Are they worth it? I don't know. Like, if you look at the numbers, I don't know, I probably say a lab that can do the same tracking, trailing type stuff and, you know, nice detection is probably worth it. But everyone has their own. Yeah, I wouldn't be opposed to ever working one. I think it would be cool to see the difference because they're, again, they're totally different. You know, you raise a Shepherd or a Malinois in a lab together, you know, they're going to go to the same department, do different job. You're going to raise them differently. You're going to have to do stuff differently. Differently. You can't do the same. They don't fit the same mold. And that's what, you know, a lot of people. I would raise the dogs for police, and everyone thinks that everyone can raise a dog for police. And I had multiple dogs that I washed out myself before even showing them to the trainers or even trying to sell them, or even I could have sold them, but I know that I would have just been making money and knowing. Giving an inferior product. [00:57:51] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:57:51] Speaker B: It's like, why would I give you a gun that I know 80% is going to be fine. You probably will never have an issue. But like, yeah, like, to me that, you know, and that's hard for trainers and kennels, which is why I'm very way more selective now. [00:58:06] Speaker A: But that's a cool thought, though, is that you wouldn't want to give a police officer a dog that you wouldn't know is a hundred percent ready to be a police dog. You know, and so I guess my question here would be, like, how. When do you make that call? Like, is it. [00:58:20] Speaker B: I mean, it could be early in the training. It could be. You know, personally, I like to raise the puppies from eight weeks, unless I breed them. Obviously I see them from when they're a baby, but, you know, I usually get them at 8 weeks old. @ any point in that time, if I see an issue that we can't work on or like anything that I'm questionable about. I push the dogs that are going to be raised for a police department a little harder than just your average, you know, pet dog or even a sport dog that you're raising. But, I mean, it can happen at any time. It can happen the week before you're gonna get rid of the dog. It could happen at eight months, you know, but that's my biggest. [00:58:57] Speaker A: Is it usually like a discipline thing or like a distraction? [00:59:00] Speaker B: It could be confidence. It could be they're not super interested when they're under stress, or it can be a mixture of anything. Usually it's like a confidence, like, environmental situation. There may be weird on some stairs or some type of flooring, and a lot of times that, you know, as long as you expose them to that as a puppy. But even then under stress, it's. It's different. You know, you get a dog randomly that in a certain situation, something stresses them out and they can't get over it or whatever it may be. In my opinion, you know, you. I don't name any names. There's plenty of vendors out there that do this consistently. They just sell dogs. It's easy to test a dog and make it look good. Like. Like, I'm not gonna do that. I. You know, I. To me, it wasn't worth that money. It's not even worth the money raising a police dog in this area anyway as it is. But it's definitely not worth the money to have that sort of guarantee and to hand off a dog that, you know, someone could ri. I don't want to hear about the person dying because my dog wouldn't climb some stairs that I secretly knew about. [01:00:04] Speaker A: But wouldn't tell you wanted to make the money. [01:00:06] Speaker B: I needed a few thousand bucks. Like, that's not exactly so, you know, I've washed out multiple dogs, and that's important. [01:00:15] Speaker A: And what do you do when you wash them out? Do you just, like, put them up for sale? [01:00:18] Speaker B: Yeah, try to find them a home, like a pet home or someone that wants. Because most of the time they can do bite work. Like, I have one that is. Went to some. A friend, some friends of ours, and he's amazing. Like, he would do bite work. He's. He got weird. There was, like, a flashbang in training. He was in class. So this dog, I thought was already good to go. He was in class, and there was a very loud noise, like, you know, a training flashbang. [01:00:46] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:00:47] Speaker B: And the dog literally his pants. And not. Not like literally, but like, he. The dog his pants and would not recover from that. Like, yeah, I just went in the red. Just, dude, he, he would not recover. And it was one of those, I forget what week in class, but it was, was a few weeks in. Honestly, this dog was a very, very, very nice dog. Still a very nice dog. So, you know, at that point, okay, he's got to be out. We have to take him out. Like, there's no. So he. Now he lives and he's spoiled and yeah, he's, he's more happy, which is fine because it's like, in the end, what are you going to, you know, you can't make a dog go and bite somebody it doesn't want to bite. That's what is really hard for some of these guys to understand. Like, in this, you know, in training is training, I, I, even in the bite suit, we try to take it easy. You want the dog to always win so they feel confident. So, yeah, it could be a lot worse than what I'm showing you here. And if your dog's having an issue here, you know, you're gonna go up into an alley at 2 in the morning and trust this thing. [01:01:46] Speaker A: So is from my understanding, my buddy's a, my buddy Joe from the Marines, he's a cop out in New York, and he on his free time does Brazilian jiu jitsu. He people up. He does it in full uniform, this and that. This kid's a unit. That's awesome. So, but he, he does that on his own time, his own free time, his own money, probably his own money. Yeah. And he actually, we talk about all the time how he's a police officer that does the extra, that wants to be a unit, that, that has a beautiful wife and two kids. Yeah, you'll not catch his ass losing a street fight. You know, he's got that on his hip too. And I think it's super important for anyone, if you have a dangerous job like that to be a hundred percent. And so I just, just want you to touch on again how important it is for these police officers with the canines to go to your train or to go to any trainings. And actually, you want to be a thousand percent confident with the dog you're going to be with every day. [01:02:45] Speaker B: Right. So, yeah, that's a good point. [01:02:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:02:48] Speaker B: I don't know where to start in the sense of, I don't know where the issue stems from, whether I know there's a, you know, a certain percentage of handlers are amazing and, you know, so to the point where, you know, one of my dogs that I sold, went to a sheriff's apartment. One of my good friends, he was a trainer, worked the dog. Worked the dog gray, like, like as a joke. Like he would work the dog every day to the point where guys would give him. Yeah, but you know whose dog was the best trained when he come in the room? That dog. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:03:20] Speaker B: So why. It's like, it's like a weird thing where, you know, it's like say, dry firing with your pistol. You know, you come in the house and I'm dry firing with my pistol or something and they're like, why are you doing that? Aiming at the wall for? No, it's like when we go to the range, who's going to shoot better? Like. [01:03:38] Speaker A: Exactly. [01:03:39] Speaker B: So I think it's imperative, you know, again, so there's a percentage of guys that put in their free time, they put in all their own money and they do, they make sacrifices. Like, there's a, a good percentage of those guys in the canine world, and that's why I like the canine world so much, is because in some departments you have to be, you have to do extra to get the job. Other departments. Yeah, it's the oldest guy, you know gets a job. [01:04:04] Speaker A: That's how it was in the Marine Corps. [01:04:05] Speaker B: Seniority, like you had to be a badass. Yeah. And I think that's right in departments down south, guys that in South Carolina that have come up and done seminars with us and that we've trained with multiple times. No, they have tryouts. You know, there's 12 canine handlers, they have tryouts and they choose the next handler. So you bet your ass it's not going to be that person. [01:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:27] Speaker B: That doesn't give a. And is looking or it's not going to be the old fat dude. But that's been here 30 years. And I'm not against those people if they're capable because I have seen, you know, small women that can handle a hundred pound malinois better than a, you know, some dudes. So it's not about that. It's about putting the right person in for the job. [01:04:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Who has the right energy, who has. [01:04:47] Speaker B: The right energy, who's willing to do so. You know, that's the first step. And then the money aspect, I get it that you know some of these guys, but to me, yeah, it's it. That was really what's frustrating is I've limited my, I still work with a handful of departments, like pretty consistently. I just. The amount of time that I would donate is like, like I've cut It down a bit because I. If I'm not gonna. If you're not gonna put in the effort. Yeah, for yourself, why am I gonna put it in for you? [01:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, yeah, you don't want to be doing. [01:05:21] Speaker B: After years of doing that. Literal years and hurting myself and physically getting brew. Getting punk, dude, I got. I've been bad every single limb. And then whether it was an accident or I was pushing the limit to help the dog or what, you know, whatever. It was like every dog trainer, you get bit, but it's like, I literally put myself in danger for some other dude that doesn't even care. Like, that doesn't even make sense after a while. So I think at first I was caught up in the, like, you know, this is so awesome. This is, you know, which it is. But it's all. It's only awesome if the person on the other end is going to also put in the work. So, you know, I know guys are busy, but, like, what app, you know. Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me when your life is literally on the line. It's not my life. And if anything, you know, there was conversations we would have to have with some cops, some of the handlers, and. And they were open to it, which to me is. That's the first step. You know, there are a few guys that's like, okay, well, if we come to a situation where at middle of the night, the stair, you know, it's. It's steep stairs and there's no lights, we're not going to send the dog. And I'm like, okay, good. Like, that's fine. Because there's other tools in the toolbox to deal with a situation like that. You don't need to send the dog if the dog's not going to work. Why would you deploy a taser if you know it isn't going to work? You know, just hold the taser back and let's figure something else out. So that was another thing. Everyone with a dog wants to rush in, rush in, rush in. Like, okay, let's evaluate the situation. And of course, there's those times where you got to deal with it and just go. But, you know, most of the time with a dog, you get to a threshold or you get to a certain area, you know, you can kind of evaluate. And if your dog isn't gonna. If I don't think a dog should be on the street, if you get to a situation, you have to decide that. But unfortunately, the world that we live in, there are plenty of dogs that will not execute every task that they're going to be asked. So I think at a minimum, be realistic with yourself as the handler and say, okay, listen, guys, this is the time that we don't let my dog go in because, you know. Yeah, I don't know what's gonna be. It may not be right. So it's like, okay, let's just chill and deal with something like, you know, find another way. Like. Yeah, so I think that's important. At a minimum, it's a tough. If you're not willing to put in the effort, can't help you. Yeah, unfortunately, like you said, it's like you can give those guys free Jiu Jitsu classes. I know multiple places that offer free Jiu Jitsu for cops. You know how many people show up? Like, three, like you said, seeing guys. Yeah, it's the same guys that go every time. It's like, so that's what frustrated me a little bit, is when I'm putting everything I can on the line, literally exhausting myself hurting. Like, I just expect you to care. Yeah, like, I'm not the one getting shot at. [01:08:01] Speaker A: You another thing on the training, do you got. I know you obviously do the bite work and detection stuff. Do you ever do any, like, mount training, like urban, like in a building type shit where, like, you're clearing rooms at the dog? [01:08:14] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, a lot of that. Really? Yeah. So, I mean, I've done every work, you know, regular patrol dogs pretty much do that in class too. Obviously. Then, you know, there's like the SWAT or the special teams dogs that'll do a little bit more. And. Yeah, and honestly, we teach every dog how to clear a room. Like, any of the dogs that do bite work will clear a building, which, you know, that's the fun stuff. But to me, there's a lot of others. Don't get me wrong, that's the fun. [01:08:39] Speaker A: To get down first before you. [01:08:41] Speaker B: Yes. 100 and. And it's like, but to me, those are the fun days. Like, dude, I've had so much fun. I'm, you know, I got videos of me. You got the sim guns, and we're just blasting the dudes because they take a corner and don't even pay attention. I'm like, bro, like, if this was a real gun, you'd be dead. You know, so. But for me, it's fun. One, I get to practice because I like guns and I like shooting anyway. So I'm like, oh, I get to, you know. But then you get another cop that comes in and puts you in a press pretzel because. Because he takes it serious. And I'm like, good. I'm like, thank you for. For putting that effort in. I'm like, yeah, that you just up my shoulder, but. But I'm like, you know, you just did the scenario the way that we were supposed to do it, and, you know, you probably learned something. [01:09:19] Speaker A: Like, sim rounds are cool, too, because they're. They're not. They don't feel good to joke. [01:09:24] Speaker B: No. They don't feel good to get. [01:09:25] Speaker A: It definitely hurts. [01:09:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:26] Speaker A: More than a pain. [01:09:27] Speaker B: They'll usually just send the cops in with glasses and nothing on their face. So I aim for the face. Like. Like. Yeah, dude. [01:09:34] Speaker A: What? [01:09:34] Speaker B: The headshot. [01:09:37] Speaker A: You got this German shepherd hanging off your neck after that. [01:09:41] Speaker B: Yeah, but that's. [01:09:42] Speaker A: Yeah, that seems. [01:09:43] Speaker B: But to me, training has to be, you know, whether it's literally. You know, that's. That's obviously the crazy part of it that everyone likes and the videos are fun and stuff, and again, I like that sort of stuff, but there's so much more that goes into it. Like, you need to have that same dog that can also go to the. To the Boston Marathon and do a drug search all day. Yeah. Instead of thinking about biting every single person that walks by. [01:10:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:10:06] Speaker B: So that's. [01:10:07] Speaker A: That's a great point. [01:10:08] Speaker B: Well, you got to go back and forth or, like, one minute you know you're biting someone, and then the next minute you got to do an evidence search outside for the. You know, for the shell casings. Like. [01:10:16] Speaker A: Yeah. To me, like, in a field. [01:10:17] Speaker B: Has to right away. On the street, anywhere. It's like, so. So to be able to go and switch on and off in. The dogs are very capable. But, you know, the dogs in the training, the handler, it's important to be able to go from task to task without. [01:10:32] Speaker A: Yeah, that's how vers style there. [01:10:34] Speaker B: Yeah, they've. And, dude, the dogs are insane. The dogs are. The limit is the hand. You know, the limiting factor in the. In the duo is the handler. The dogs are always way more than capable than anyone, you know, which is incredible. [01:10:46] Speaker A: Like, another thing I wanted to. Probably the last thing I'll touch on, even though you probably still have a million pages of. I love all your side quests, but one of the other. The coolest ones is the Matthew Firearms. How did that. How did that come about? [01:11:01] Speaker B: Yeah, so ffl, Right? Yeah, so we have an ffl. Sot. [01:11:04] Speaker A: Could you just explain what that actually is to myself and the viewers? [01:11:08] Speaker B: So we have a Federal Firearms License. Well, I'm the federal firearms licensee, so is my brother. And we have a shop in Raynham. Black Dog Outfitters come by if anyone shout out. Yeah, so we have an FFL SOT which is a special operations tax meaning we can possess and make manufacturer suppressors, machine guns, short power rifle, like all the good stuff. I've always been into guns. I, you know, I got my concealed carry permit when I was 21. Growing up I. My fit. There was really no guns around my second cousin or sorry like my dad's, my dad's cousin when he was really little was killed. Like they found their father, two little kids found the father's gun, you know, a little friend aimed at the head of the other one. Friggin killed. You know, they were like 6 years old. So growing up all I ever heard was that story whenever we talked about guns. I didn't grow up hunting or you know, again guns. I honestly don't even know if I shot, you know, we shot BB guns and little like air rifles and stuff like that. But I don't even know if I shot a gun until I was like 18 or 20. So 21, you know, I started getting into guns. I took a bunch of courses because immediately off the bat I was like, okay, well if I'm gonna do this, this safety is number one. Like has to be number one. You know, started off just going to classes, just kind of getting guns, shooting at the rain, you know, joining the local range, going and nothing crazy, you know, I had a few friends sit for the dog training that were cops that we'd go shoot. And so like I always, anytime they, you know, any of my buddies would open up the back of their cruiser or something, I'd be like looking and seeing what they got, like, you know, because some departments just get nothing. They get, you know, just a handgun, just a Glock or a Sig, whatever. Some guys, they get a shotgun in their cruise or some dudes get a rifle and a shotgun. Some dudes there on maybe the like the SWAT teams that get like maybe a suppressor. Some of them get machine gun suppressors. So like some of them have night vision. So like I'd always be looking at and just asking questions like. And I always just was super interested in just the newest gun stuff. We started following more pages and then you know, just going to this one gun shop, shout out to Sharif, Sharif, Sharif. He's the absolute boss. CAG Arms Littleton, Massachusetts at the mill. He's an incredible person. He has a gun shop, he's Very well educated in law and firearms and, and you know, him and another buddy kind of pushed. He was like, hey, just get an ffl. You know, get an ffl. Because I, you know, as, you know, Massachusetts, the gun laws suck. [01:14:00] Speaker A: Yeah, definitely tough and safe. [01:14:01] Speaker B: You know, we were buying pre band this, pre band that, you know, pre band Glock mags. Like, you know, you're spending. We got pre band AR pistols, you know, but it's like, the hell are we doing? [01:14:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:14:13] Speaker B: So looking more into it. This will be our third year. A few years ago I said to my brother, I'm like, let's open up a gun shop. He was like, you're an idiot. Like how he's, you know, everyone, of course, of course. As I have my great ideas in my head, everyone else is like, you're a dumbass. Like, okay, I'll do it. I'll figure it out. But don't worry, I'll put you on the, on the sheet so when we get it, you can get it too. So I, you know, I print now with everything. I'm asking my buddies, I fill out the paperwork. My dad helped us a bunch. My dad's a lawyer, so he went over all the, you know, he helped us with the paperwork. I didn't want to send something in and be messed up. So either way, if I didn't have him, luckily he, you know, he, he donated some of his time. I probably would have went to get some legal advice from somebody else just quick, just to make sure he got the forms filled out. And anyone can do it. You need industrial space. That's the biggest thing you need. You know, your building or your address has to be an industrial space days. So we rent some space for my uncle in town. We got like a little warehouse space and a little shop area. [01:15:16] Speaker A: Unreal. [01:15:17] Speaker B: And yeah, sent in all the paperwork and you know, it's kind of. It's just a shitload of paperwork. And it's even more paperwork once you get the license and everything. So now we're real small. I just do it part time. [01:15:31] Speaker A: So what is your actual specialty over there? Like, do you. I know I have had a few friends that have bought guns from you and they're all wicked cool. And like you were saying earlier is that you love all the tech, the gear on it. You, my friends are like that too. And they came to you to get custom firearms built and to put the red dot and the grips and all the little weird nuancey that you necessarily wouldn't see if you went to your Average gun store. [01:15:58] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:15:59] Speaker A: So you could talk about like building custom firearms and like really making people's visions come to life. I think that'd be cool. [01:16:07] Speaker B: Yeah. I think, you know, for me, as soon as I get something, I'm looking into how I can make it better or what I can do to make it better for me. You know, maybe not necessarily better, but better to suit me. Whether it's my truck or my, you know what, anything in my life, I'm always like modifying a little bit. So naturally I always. Like you said, you know, you go to gun stores around here and they're kind of old school. Like you got a bunch of lever actions, a bunch of 22s like you got. And also that there's a lot of gray areas in the laws here. The laws are very confusing and I think they do that on purpose probably. But I wanted to create a small shop again just on our free time. But I wanted to focus on custom builds that used high quality. Like I go for duty, they, they kind of say duty rated. But I like stuff that is, you know, hard use. Like even if you're not going to use it hard as a, as say a military or police officer or somebody that, you know, uses it very hard. I want that sort of quality in the parts. So we use a lot of all quality parts. I don't, I'll get you anything you want. I don't recommend any thing cheap or anything. Okay. I'm always going to recommend, you know. [01:17:21] Speaker A: Yeah, top of certain brands. [01:17:23] Speaker B: Sons of Liberty, Knights, Armament, lm, lmt, Geisley, you know, there's certain brands that I like to use and recommend to people that they're worth the money and the quality and stuff like that. Red dots, lasers again. We got suppressors, I've outfitted, you know, we, I try to work with some of the local law enforcement guys and upgrade their stuff because a lot of times it's outdated and you know, the goal would be maybe get a few contracts and for some SWAT teams update there. I like the machine guns and the suppressor side of it because it's updating our whole armory. Yeah, I like that. I, I want again I, I'm all for the police. I love, you know, my buddies. I also hate police overreach. So I'm in a weird spot here, dude. [01:18:08] Speaker A: I'm the same way. [01:18:09] Speaker B: People think I know me and you are like that. [01:18:11] Speaker A: People think I hate cops, which I hate bad cops. My friends that are good cops hate, hate bad cops. [01:18:17] Speaker B: Just exactly that. That's what. And that's hard to explain to people. Like, I will tell you firsthand, my friends that are police officers, don't they hate them just as bad as we hate them? So, again, I get it. It's hard to understand, but once you truly interact with multiple police officers from mult. You know what, when you become friends with them, you realize that, that they don't like that because it's like anything. I don't like a bad farmer that abuses their animals. I don't like the dog trainers in Boston that, you know, abuses animals. Like, to me, that makes us all look bad and it makes everyone question all of us. Like, I don't like the gun store that sold something illegal, even though I don't think the laws. Right. Like, I don't, you know, I'm not gonna. That's up. It's like, so, you know, I don't know. [01:19:01] Speaker A: No, that's. I, I think that is a great point because that's, I mean, you and, you and me too are both. That's why decent following on social media, when we post up and we get. [01:19:11] Speaker B: People say and things, like, a little. [01:19:14] Speaker A: I know I definitely get fired up about some and people will be like, oh, Greg, is all this all that? It's like, dude, it doesn't have to. [01:19:22] Speaker B: Be one or the other. [01:19:22] Speaker A: Yeah, I, I learned in the Marine Corps, you don't respect the man or you don't respect the bat. You don't respect the rank. You respect the man. [01:19:29] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:29] Speaker A: And it's kind of the same thing I applied to cops. It's like, I'm not respecting that badge. If you're a great person, of course. [01:19:35] Speaker B: I'm gonna respect you and do whatever. [01:19:37] Speaker A: But if you're a piece of you, putting that, that badge on doesn't make you any better of a person. And, And I said that so many times to my friends who are cops and my friends who hate cops, who love cops. And sometimes it's hard for people to understand. But I'm so glad we're having this talk. [01:19:53] Speaker B: No, it's, it is, it's. And again, I, you know, I'm not for more laws, I'm not for more government overreach. All that is literally what I hate. And, But I know, you know, everyone's like, they're going to be the, you know, like, no, they're not. The people I know are good people and they're going to be the first ones that are on our side, whether it's any. So, yeah, I, again, I'm in a weird spot Where I want my buddy that has to go deal with the thugs and drug dealers to have the absolute best that he could have. But I also don't want them to use that in an overreaching situation. So it's like. But, you know, it's. It's one thing or the other. You got to, you know, you got to kind of pick and choose your battles. And I think we live in an area where, you know, I don't know. Yeah, it's just a tough. [01:20:43] Speaker A: There's a lot of gun laws in Massachusetts that are like, police officers can only have this. You know, where it's like, I. Hey, I agree with that. If you're a police officer, I agree you should be able to have this gun. But I want it, too. Yeah. [01:20:56] Speaker B: And. And I'm. [01:20:56] Speaker A: It's not like a thing to say. [01:20:58] Speaker B: We should be able to have the armored vehicle if we want. Like, I'm all about like that. Like, if you can have it, I can have it. But I want you to have it, too, because if that dude down the street's gonna have it, that, you know, I want to have it, and I want you. You know what I mean? It's one of those. So it's a, you know, being in the firearms and, you know, you get some people that's, you know, whatever. Look, it is what it is. Yeah. Like you said, I'm not gonna. I've told up a state police officer to his face that, you know, if that bill passes and we can't sell X, Y, and Z to civilians, I'm not selling it to any cops. So it's one of those things like. Yeah, you know, you just got to kind of pick and choose and do what's right for you. [01:21:37] Speaker A: I mean, that would be crazy. Overreach. What's it called? H bill HD240. [01:21:42] Speaker B: They just. As of yesterday, June, I think this the fifth. [01:21:49] Speaker A: Oh, today's the fifth. [01:21:50] Speaker B: The fifth. Yesterday they put out. I think it's six. Six. It's a new bill. It's the same bill. They added some more stuff to it. It's not good. Folks, you should go and call your senators if you care about gun rights and hunting rights in Massachusetts. Unfortunately, you know, we don't. The statistics are out there. We don't live in a safe place. If you, you know, you look on the news, Boston every night. There's shootings every night. It's one of those things, you know, they're just. They're pushing the envelope, and I guess we'll see what happens. [01:22:22] Speaker A: But yeah, I think that that's a great point to hit on too, because, like you were just saying you're into. Well, our common ground is we're both into guns, right? And we both have a million friends that are also into guns. But you love to modify them and make them cool and this and that. Whereas me, everyone who knows me knows I'm a cheap. I've had the same gun that I bought when I was. [01:22:44] Speaker B: Same holster. [01:22:44] Speaker A: Same holster everything, bro, since I was. When I first got out of the Marine Corps. It's a.400 Springfield XDS. It's. I got baby hands, so it's tiny. That puts it right on my hip every single day. Like, and I 400 gun. I've had it for six years. But when I was 21, the first thing I did was get my concealed carry permit. And I was like, I want a big Glock 17. Like the cops. Like, that's a badass gun. That thing wouldn't even fit in my waistband. So then when I found that little. The Springfield xds. I love it. It's easy. It fits on my hip. And I've never had to. I don't want another gun. I just want it for protection. So it's like I see all sides of the guys who really love it and really are, like, passionate about building guns and all that. For me, I'm just not financially there at this second. If I had all the money in the world, I probably would have all the guns. Safety is foremost for me. So, like, hey, you'll never catch me without it. It's always here on my hip. [01:23:41] Speaker B: And that's all that matters is, like, you realize the meaning of. Of, you know, gun rights in general. I don't give a. What gun, you know, and that's the thing. Like, I'm not. I just don't put my money into stock that I don't. If you want to buy something, like, that's kind of what I do is I'll buy. I'll get you anything that you want. [01:23:57] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:23:58] Speaker B: I don't care how shitty it is. Like, I. But at the same time, you're not going to see me stalking and wasting our money on holding that stuff in the shop, so. Or like, I'm not going to recommend. As long as you understand the importance of, you know, gun rights and, you know, just rights in general. Yeah, to me, that's important. [01:24:15] Speaker A: It all comes down to just the. The average person walking down the street trying to protect himself and his family, his wife and kids. I don't really do much other than that with my gun. Like, I've over the. [01:24:28] Speaker B: That's 99% of people that own them, which is great. [01:24:31] Speaker A: We put less than 400 rounds through my gun. And that's not something I like love to admit, but like, hey, I just like, have a lot of work I would rather be doing. Yeah, yeah, I know it works. And like, I also think I should train more with it. I became a member at the Brainchee Gun Club, which is awesome, but still haven't even been there. [01:24:47] Speaker B: No. No. So it's like, dude, even me. It's like we should. I should be doing more, you know, it's like. Doesn't matter. It's like, it's. [01:24:54] Speaker A: I practice. I'll. I'll probably every few months I'll be around my house and I'll. I'll draw all the time. Yeah. Just to like. [01:25:02] Speaker B: You just want to be familiar with it. [01:25:04] Speaker A: Familiar with it, familiar with getting it out. And even me, like, I never will never ever do that training with one in the head or even a mag in it, because I'm all about safety as well. But little shit like that, getting familiar with your gun and getting familiar with your surroundings and your situational awareness. [01:25:22] Speaker B: Situational awareness is the biggest thing. I've always been like that. And I feel like you can either. You can't really teach that. I don't know. [01:25:27] Speaker A: No, you can't. [01:25:28] Speaker B: Because I love my brother. I love my brother, but that kid is the opposite of me in that sense. So it's like, like, you know, it's one of those things where I, I do think situational awareness is important. I'm. Maybe I'm a little like. No, it is at the extreme. But I, I think, you know, I'm, you know, you see the videos and like, you see the world we live in. It's like I'm not gonna put my life in the hands of chance when I could, you know, I don't know. I'm gonna stack all the odds in my favor. Just. I just want to go home at night. Like, it's like we don't even. You don't even do anything dangerous. You know what I mean? It's like so. I couldn't even imagine. That's why it would frustrate me, going back to police stuff. It's like, dude, I couldn't even imagine truly being in a situation where you need to save your life. And like, you're, you know, so have you. [01:26:17] Speaker A: I don't know if it was you who showed me this page or what? There's this page on Instagram called Off the X. I think it's a former Navy Seal. And his big thing is just about like training situational awareness and. And spatial awareness and all that. And it's. He just basically posts up viral videos of people either getting murdered or seriously injured and. [01:26:34] Speaker B: See, that freaks me out. [01:26:35] Speaker A: And it's just like, if that doesn't. [01:26:37] Speaker B: Freak you out, you gotta. [01:26:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And his whole thing is off the X, so. Getting off. Yeah. It's like if. [01:26:42] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:42] Speaker A: There's a fist fight in the middle of a mall and there's 50 people watching. [01:26:46] Speaker B: Get the away. [01:26:47] Speaker A: Some guy pulls out a gun. [01:26:49] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:26:49] Speaker A: And accidentally shoots a random bicep. It's like the guy's point is that you see a problem. Get the Away. [01:26:55] Speaker B: Get away. [01:26:56] Speaker A: That's why we have. That's why I. The, the. A lot of respect that I do have that comes from cops is that they know that they're dealing with bags every day, every time. Like, that's the one reason I could never be a cop is because I don't give a. About these idiots doing heroin in their drug dens. Them, bro. I. I beat my own demons. These idiots need to do that. [01:27:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:27:17] Speaker A: The guys that want to go in there and raid them with guns. Power to them. But I just want to stay as far away from that as possible. [01:27:23] Speaker B: No, I hear you. And that's why I want to get. [01:27:25] Speaker A: Off the X, bro. [01:27:26] Speaker B: I realize that those guys, there's a lot more just, just being around, having friends as cops over the years. It's like, Jesus Christ. Like, your average person has no idea what they go through. And of course there's other strut. Like, you know, you could work in the hospital and you see gunshot. Like. [01:27:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:27:43] Speaker B: But the stories I've. Like, I've heard, whether it's having appeal. The remains of a lady that was dead on the floor for 30 days off of it. Like, like it doesn't. Or, or seeing a kid's head blown off. Or like, it's like, imagine that. And then just having to go to a traffic stop next. It's like. [01:28:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:28:07] Speaker B: So to me it is. You know, I. That's why I respect them. And it's like, yeah. No, they do something that is hard. It's just. [01:28:15] Speaker A: You really know my buddy Joey, he's NYPD in Brooklyn. Like, literally, he's telling me some. One time he's going up one of those big ass towers and he was like 20 flights in. [01:28:26] Speaker B: Someone jumped. [01:28:26] Speaker A: It was. Someone came out with A pistol and ba ba ba shooting at him and his partner. Like four or five rounds. [01:28:32] Speaker B: What did you see? The guys that, you know, what can you do? [01:28:36] Speaker A: What can you do to fucking protect yourself when you're getting shot at from above? So. And he has multiple stories like that. Like New York is a. A zoo. That city is a zoo. And thank God we live in Boston where it's not as bad but still so bad. [01:28:51] Speaker B: That's what people don't realize. It's. It's like worse because even my brother Buddy is like said I'm like dude, look at the new. He doesn't want. You know, I don't watch the news but it's like even if you just have the news channel on in the morning. Three shot in Boston. Four shot in Boston. Five stabbed this. I'm like Jesus Christ. And then you got people telling me that the city is good. [01:29:08] Speaker A: I'm like, I. I think like so which. [01:29:11] Speaker B: Which I love the city. I lived in the city and it's like. But to be not worried about. I'm about your self defense or your safety is literally asinine to me. [01:29:23] Speaker A: Like I think of. So when I think of like is Boston. Shut up. When I think of his Boston and or as like all the violence this and that. I think most of it is situationally based gang for sure. For sure. Whereas New York, just San Francisco. [01:29:39] Speaker B: A lot of it can be ranch them. [01:29:40] Speaker A: If you and me are walking down the street, they see a skinny white kid and they're going to try and take advantage of like there's some tourists. [01:29:46] Speaker B: They think you're a tourist too. [01:29:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:29:48] Speaker B: That you're done. Like you're in a rental car. [01:29:50] Speaker A: Yeah. Those places like San Francisco. I would never go la. I mean not without the heat obviously. But like still even why you want to put yourself in those places where it's all crime and all bad. [01:30:01] Speaker B: And that's why I got my animals, bro. Yeah, I chill with the animals are. [01:30:06] Speaker A: Definitely the best defense for anything. All right, Justin. I think that was a. [01:30:09] Speaker B: Awesome. That was awesome. Thanks brother. [01:30:11] Speaker A: I really appreciate you coming on. And like I said earlier, like when I envisioned starting this pod, you're exactly the type of person I wanted on someone that has a bunch of different facets to you. You have a bunch of different side quests and missions and you're really doing awesome in life. I love how you monetize all your hobbies and passions and it's. It's just really been cool for me to watch and I'm. I appreciate you as a friend and I appreciate you as a person. And again, thanks for coming on, bro. And all. All his social media is going to be linked in the bio. He's got probably one of the coolest Instagram pages I've ever seen. It's Matthew Canine. Well, I'm gonna drop all of it in the bio and this and that. But again, thank you for coming on, Justin. [01:30:53] Speaker B: Thank you. I appreciate you. Thanks for the time. Thank you, bro. [01:30:57] Speaker A: Yeah, thanks, bro. Good.